Last year, my girlfriend (I guess in the spirit of this article, my domestic partner) and I were PACSed. PACS is a term that is used with increasing frequency here in France, but probably means little or nothing to someone from outside the country.
PACS stands for Pacte Civil de Solidarité; essentially, a domestic partnership. It was originally created in France to give rights and benefits to homosexual couples, and then eventually heterosexual couples started doing it as well. I have even heard of roommates getting PACSed so that they can acquire a visa (I'll explain how in a second).
To be PACSed, a couple has to prove that they are in good standing, that they live together (providing an electric bill or a joint bank account statement, for example), and they intend to stay that way. Though this did not happen to us, some of the forms we read said we need to find proof that we had been together for two years, just to show that we were serious. PACS was perfect for us, as it gives me almost all of the benefits of being a French citizen, without having a hasty marriage. Most importantly, it allows me to obtain a visa, which I am allowed to renew each year as long as we stay together.
As I was saying, I have heard of roommates doing this before. Let's say a French guy and another foreigner, guy or girl, live together. They like hanging out, but they aren't dating, nor do they plan on it. To keep the foreigner in the country, the roommates can decide to get PACSed, basically proving that they are together, which will allow the foreigner to renew or obtain a visa. As they don't ask couples to prove that they love each other physically, this can be relatively painless.
Our "ceremony" was pretty uneventful. We traveled out to a sub prefecture, dressed in t-shirts and shorts as it was warm that day. At the desk, we were asked to present our ID's, and to verify that all the information on our papers were correct. After signing the paperwork, they handed us a copy of the papers we had signed, and that was it. As the ceremony itself was so administrative and unremarkable, it is easy to forget sometimes that we are legally bound to each other. Apparently they even put my name on Julie's birth certificate (though we have yet to see this).
PACS seems to be viewed as a preliminary step towards marriage these days. We've known a couple of friends that were PACSed, engaged, and then married, in that order. We had a few friends ask us when we were going to have our party to celebrate our union, which seemed funny to us because we didn't realize it was that big of a deal. In one of my many meetings with the French State regarding the creation of my company, as they were going over my personal information, they asked "OK, so you are married?" I laughed and told them no, my girlfriend and I are PACSed. To my surprise, she continued to fill out on my forms that I was married and said "Yeah, well, it's pretty much the same thing."
If you happen to be dating someone that is French and want to stay in France, or move to France, getting PACSed is a relatively simple way to do so. However, like pretty much everything in France, it requires an a lot of paperwork, and from what I have heard from other friends in different prefectures, not every prefecture has the same requirements for being PACSed. While the process was fairly easy for us, I have had friends dealing with mind boggling stupidity courtesy of their prefecture, putting them in real life catch-22's where obtaining their domestic partnership status was technically impossible, no matter which route they took per suggestion from the official.
Unfortunately, PACS is not recognized outside of France, so when Julie and I happen to leave the country, we are just boyfriend and girlfriend, and don't receive the same benefits as we enjoy here. At least in France, we are pacsou and pacsette.
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So how does a girl who wants to get out of Texas get a working permit/EU working papers? You're living the life I want. Love the blog. It keeps me sane as I sit through one more day of lectures.
ReplyDeleteThere are a couple of ways you can make this work. Probably the easiest would be signing up as a student over here at La Sorbonne, or another school which teaches French classes. If you have a little money, you can sign up for one of these, and they give you a visa. With this visa, you can work, so you can pay off the apartment, school, etc.
ReplyDeleteBeing from Texas, you could give Fat Tire Bike Tours a shot. They are a company run by a guy who went to Texas A & M, and they seem to hire quite a few people from the state. They have positions as guides as well as in their office. If you show you have a genuine interest in France and can speak a little French, you never know.
As you are still in University it appears, you could go to your school's career center and see if there are any companies based in Texas that have offices abroad, or just see if you can find any positions that are solely related to Europe.
Also, I would recommend, if you haven't done so already, get to work on the language of the country you like (I hope French!). Listen to podcasts, online radio, fine French people and talk to them, etc. The more you know, the better prepared you will be when the chance to move comes.
Hope that helps! Let me know if you have any more questions. Glad you like the blog as well!
JP
Thanks for the advice. Does Big fat Tire help you get the necessary paper work if they are interested in hiring you? I am so going to work overseas. I've been planning my escape for years.
ReplyDeleteIf you are American and they hire you, then yes they do. Give it a shot!
ReplyDeleteHey John-Paul,
ReplyDeletethanks for the info.
I'm actually from Florissant, MO and I stumbled accros your blog while searching for information about domestic partnerships. My girlfriend is French and we are currently iving in Bordeaux. We are thinking about getting PACSed, but are also looking for ways for her to be able to stay in the states. I'm finding it difficult to find information about domestic partnerships with a foreigner, do you happen to know anything about it? Any info would be of much help.
Merci,
James
Hey James,
ReplyDeleteGood to hear from a fellow St. Louisan! The last couple weeks have been crazy as seemingly everyone I have talked to or met here in Paris happens to be from St. Louis. Prior to that, I ran into someone from St. Louis maybe every 3 or 4 months.
The simplest way for your girlfriend to live with you in the U.S. would be for the two of you to get married. Unless before going to the U.S. she found a job or signed up at a university that provided a visa, there's really no other way. While PACS is great here because it gives you all the benefits that a married couple would receive here in France, unfortunately it isn't recognized anywhere else.
If you guys do happen to get married in the U.S., I would definitely have your girlfriend apply for a visa for this purpose. Let's say you didn't and got married in the U.S., she would not be allowed to leave the U.S. for any reason until her visa is processed, which would be about two years.
I know this might seem like a big step, but if you guys are serious about staying together and would be getting married to each other in the future anyway, you might as well go to the mairie in Bordeaux and have it done. It would be quick, and the waiting time for her visa to go to the US would only be a couple of months. Then you can figure out the rest such as having a reception in St. Louis and in France and all that. If you guys are newly dating, perhaps it would just be easier for the two of you to be PACSed and then you can stay here and work, which would take a little pressure off the big decision of getting married.
Hope that helps! Let me know if you have any other questions and thanks for writing.
JP
Hi JP. Thanks for sharing the info. I am a hispanic/american girl that moved to Paris a year ago to go to a culinary school. After finishing school and working for 6 months in a kitchen I may have to go back because the student visa is getting to its end. The PACS is a solution in my current situation, but do you know if the visa I will get through that will allow me to work. Do you have that info? BTW, are you hiring anyone? :-)
ReplyDeleteHI there,
ReplyDeleteWith a PACS visa, you pretty much get the same treatment as being a citizen here, minus the passport. So if you are in a serious relationship with someone, it is a great solution. It does take a while to file everything to be PACS'd, and then file for your long term visa, so if your visa is about to run out, I would get started on that now, as the whole process will take a few months.
I wish I could be hiring at this point, but for the moment I'm able to handle it on my own. Maybe in a year or so it will be busy enough to necessitate a second person, so perhaps contact me then!
Thanks for reading and good luck with staying in France!
JP
This is awesome news.. I'm a male american in a serious long distance relationship with a French. I am currently learning french in the states and saving to move there. I want to get PACSd but I dont know where to begin :(
ReplyDeleteHello Cloud8,
ReplyDeleteThanks for reading my blog! I believe that you cannot get PACSed unless you are have already been living with your partner in France for at least one year. Once you move here, you can start the application process.
Take a look at this website, it should help you get an idea of what you need to do to meet the requirements for getting PACSed.
http://paris.angloinfo.com/countries/france/pacs.asp
Good luck and thanks for writing!
John-Paul
hi john-paul,
ReplyDeletei was wondering if getting PACSed allows you the gov't paid French Language classes, the same as when you get married. i'm considering getting pacsed to my French boyfriend (we are already living in France) and wanted the benefit of the classes like my married foreign friends have!
thanks,
karen
Hi Karen,
ReplyDeleteThat's a good question, and to be honest, I'm not sure of the answer. It would be worth asking at the prefecture when you go through the process. I never received any classes, but then again, I never even thought of it as a possibility. However, I would ask because if you can get some free French lessons (other than from your boyfriend!), then take advantage of it!
Thanks for writing and good luck!
JP